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For a lurker or someone prefers free kills I would still consider phantom! For consistent DPH and more tactical frag, I consider vandal
Bind is a great example! I buy Vandal on attack and phantom on defense!
On attack this map u gotta think tactically on each kills u gonna make, on defense you just spam it, literally!
The ares was perfectly fine before they decided to touch it. It had a unique mechanic of getting more stability and fire over time, and it was just a unique niche decent weapon to play with decent agents. And they removed thAt and now its fucking unusable. The recoil is so disgusting
I got new skins for both so I try ro make it even even but it depends. I think vandle is meta but phantom is satisfying to get the kill with.
I use Phantom on Phoenix ULT and Reyna ULT so I can spray more and can deal.most damage possible. Rest of the times Vandal.
I feel like a very simple phantom buff would be to give it the same damage fall of range as a Sheriff, 0-30m range 156 headshot, 30 and beyond 124
Instead of the current 0-30m 156,
The fact that at the 20m range the Sheriff Beats the Phantom (in high level play of course) while the Vandal (it’s counterpart) is strictly better in every scenario than the sheriff is crazy to me.
The thing that really makes phantom a pass for a lot of people is the 120/140 damage headshot. To make the Phantom and Vandal a lot closer to each other in my opinion is to make phantom 1 tap 156 headshot damage at short to medium range 0-30m and 140 headshot damage long range 31+m. Then increase vandal magazine to be equal to the phantom 30 bullets and also reduce the 1st bullet spread to the same value as phantom at .2 instead of .25. Still making them unique from each other since rate of fire is higher on phantom and bullet tracers are still silenced. I love both guns and depending on the playstyle I use in a certain round I use 1 over the other. A lot of times when I’m playing Neon and sliding into enemies I really like using the phantom, if I’m Reyna and want to 1 tap someone who’s holding a long range angle then I like the vandal. I really enjoy using both guns especially since I like using all my skins on both of them. Hopefully riot does something smart so that they can prevent a CSGO situation from happening where literally everyone only wants to play the AK47.
i would make a ghost or classic with a marshal scope
Buff the op to have as much spray as the spectre when running, also Odin should be 1 shot headshot for its price.
This is a troll btw
i think ares was used even more before the buff and nerf that riot did. Now its so bad because it used to be a gun with little recoil where certain players could easily enjoy using it. Now that riot added so much recoil to the gun its no longer good long range and hard to use medium range and close range theres much better options so there no point of using it. The +2 fire rate doesnt help it makes the recoil worse they should give it the old recoil but 11 fire rate so that it was a little better then before then you will see it be balanced and used properly in ranked/pro play
I think before with astra vipe meta the silencer on the phantom was pretty sweat to spam smokes
I’m a phantom user and the phantom doesn’t need a buff
I play mainly play smokes so i use phantom but i do feel that the vandel is better for every other type of agent.
– Currently, aiming is more important than ability combinations.. so Vandal it is..
– Bullet should spread much more after the 2nd bullet.
Im old enough to remember when the same phantom was busted
I use the phantom
In my opinion it needs tweaks (not explicitly buffs, but changes)
Even though there is 124/140 headshot damage
It is actually pretty easy to double dink using phantom
I would run around peak with a/d then strafe and shoot people (double dink).
On their screen it will be more like a rng kind of thing. But it isn’t.
Maybe like in LAN events, due to low ping it all comes down to that one single headshot (low peeker’s advantage)
So at some distance it becomes 140 vs 160 (and everyone knows the lethal damage)
Hence people prefer more vandal than phantom (in LAN events)
They need to buff the phantom for sure. 15m is just way too short. The fact you can get out one tapped by a sheriff past 15m is ridiculous. Either increase the one tap range equivalent to the sheriff or even further. The amount of times I’ve lost a gun fight because I dinged an opponent thinking I was close enough and then get one tapped by the vandal right after is aggravating enough for me to not use it anymore.
Phantom’s statistics are technically better than the vandal’s. With a higher fire rate less spread on first shot and also more spray consistency. I personally am a phantom user since it is more noob friendly.
I love phantom idk man
i like to use phantom on small and close corner maps such as pearl and vandal vice versa
Ever since the beta I’ve used the Vandal and only really use the Phantom when I pick it off somebody’s body. At times the Phantom just doesn’t get the job done at far ranges for me, but with the vandal I completely dominate others with a simple one tap.