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六年の大企業運営やり方
人気あるライバー(JP)いっぱいサポート
例:葛葉3d衣装7着、月ノ、叶、椎名、笹木、剣持、リゼ、ふわ、アンジュ、もっとある
運営:金うま
人気ないライバー(JP.ID.KR.EN)サポートする
運営:金少ない放置するか
運営:もう面白くないな新人増えるか
新人デビュ後ー回公式番組出るそして放置
昔ライバー(JP.EN):また新人増えるか俺らサポートしないくせに卒業するか
Nijisanji ID(終わった)
Nijisanji KR(終わった)
運営:お前ら卒業しないなら日本語喋って
炎上する時運営: ライバーいけ!俺ら守れ!
それなりに影響力のあるrprが、真っ先ににじさんじenへのヘイトを煽ってしまったのが実に残念だったな。
彼にその気が無かった事が明白だとしても、結果的に所属ライバーまでもが矢面に晒されてしまった。
英語圏の人や日本の人が全員同じ意見にされちゃいけないんです…ENコミュニティの中で冷静で見守ってる人もいるよ!
声でかい人はたしかに声でかいけど、それはどこの国だって同じです。
とにかくENとJPのコミュニティがこんな形で終わらせたくない
全面戦争って感じ(笑)
日本人英語わからん人多いからよく分からんのに人から聞いた話をそのままコピツイするみたいなツイートばっかりでキモい
There are a few comments here that are neutral, but most are siding with Nijisanji with the reason that “Selen breached the contract first.” Even if Selen broke the contract first, it was management who pressured her to do so. While evidence is hard to present because of non-disclosure agreements, the toxic environment is undeniable, which is evident by the frequent graduations of previous and even current Livers.
There are a lot of outrageous comments caused by the pent-up frustrations from the fans that should be pointed towards the incompetent management instead of the Livers. But there are also a lot of rational statements from people on Selen’s side. So why don’t you guys try to understand those instead of taking any statements from Nijisanji management at face value?
I know Japanese people are disciplined, but do you guys value rules that much more than morals? JP people keep emphasizing the contract and rules, while the sentiment of EN is about a life that was almost lost. Nijisanji pressured their Liver to almost taking their own life. Is this the difference in culture you keep talking about? No wonder Japan has a high suicide rate.
3人の声明で余計にわけがわからなくなってしまった
翻訳機能だけじゃ正確な情報を得るのが難しいし…
この問題を納得する形で終えて、早く元気なENメンバーを見たい。みんな自分を大切にして欲しい
信頼がもうないしHIKAKINより大型の海外インフルエンサーにボロッカスに叩かれてる動画が1日で100万再生されてるから再起不能よ
今のEN入りたいと思う人おらんやろ
vox的には、運営と揉めた時にvoxを含めた何人かがセレンに問い詰めて、運営のだらしない管理のせいで揉めたから間違っていないと思っているセレンにとってそれは運営とメンバーから責められてる、虐められてると思ってしまったということか。しかもセレンが指摘されたことと似た事をvoxが行ってもスタッフはシカト。セレンにとってまるで贔屓。それで運営もメンバーも信用出来なくなったセレンは辞める時のために証拠集めとして通話記録を取り始めた。これなら辻褄が合う。通話記録理由がセレンとvoxで食い違ってるのが引っかかるけど。なんにせよメンバーは運営のずさんな管理のせいでセレンに敵視されたわけだ。
(DeepL) こんにちは、ENスピーカーです。起こったことすべてについて完璧な知識を持っているわけではありませんが、EN視聴者の一般的な世論と、英語を理解し、この事件を追っているほとんどの人がセレンの味方である理由を説明しようと思います。
hello, EN speaker here. although i don’t have perfect knowledge of everything that occured, i will try to explain the general public opinion of EN viewers, and why almost everyone who understands English and follows this incident are siding with Selen.
first off, Selen has been quite vocal with her dissatisfaction regarding Nijisanji EN management since long ago. she planned a lot of projects and collaborations that gets cancelled by management in the last moment. there was also the case where a Nijisanji EN huge collaboration event was abruptly cancelled by management, which sparks snide complaints from a lot of Nijisanji EN livers in their Twitter. this MV was the most recent project Selen did, which (if i recall correctly) was completed a long time ago, but her request to publish the MV kept getting neglected by management, until the point where Selen snaps and publishes it without management’s permission, as a form of protest. the EN viewers side with Selen’s story, because of testimonies from other gaduated Nijisanji EN livers such as Nina Kosaka and Mysta Rias (on their other accounts) confirming the fact that Nijisanji EN management was extremely neglectful.
there’s also the claim that Nijisanji EN provides only the bare minimum of support for the talents, and at times didn’t properly pay commisioned artists. Selen claimed she sometimes had to pay the artists in Nijisanji’s stead, including paying for her recent MV project wholly by herself. EN viewers believed Selen because of the many artists who spoke up and supported Selen’s story, confirming it. this notion, along with the generally accepted fact that Nijisanji gives their Livers an extremely small margin of their profits (the famous “2% of merch profit” meme) is viewed by international viewers as exploitative company behavior.
next is Selen’s radio silence. after posting the MV, Selen went into radio silence for a month or so. during this time, there was a tweet from Selen’s Twitter account explaining that Selen was “hospitalized due to an accident”. however, Selen later claimed that she was hospitalized because of an “attempt”, and that she herself did not post the explanation tweet. this sparks the first distrust between Selen’s fan and management, because if what Selen claimed is true, then Nijisanji is confirmed to be able to silently suspend their talents without any announcement, and that management can, at any time, masquerade as the Liver and make posts in their stead (EN viewers jokingly theorized that posts made by Nijisanji management masquerading as Selen uses a ’different apostrophe mark’ than what ‘she usually uses’). later on, the termination announcement posted by Nijisanji / Anycolor confirmed the fact that Selen was indeed silently suspended by management, and that management indeed made the Twitter explanation in Selen’s stead.
at this point, although the fans were angry that the first news of Selen, after over a month of silence, was her termination notice, they were also quite glad Selen got terminated. the general view of EN viewers is that Nijisanji EN is a horrible place to work at (said to be a black company), and that Livers would be better off once they graduate. once Selen resurfaced in Twitter as her other Liver account as Dokibird, her fans quickly flocked over to subscribe to her YT channel. Doki revealed on Twitter her version of why she was hospitalized, and claimed that the working environment was toxic and that she was bullied from within (but never citing by whom). she also claimed she had already requested to graduate on good terms, but got terminated by Nijisanji instead.
following this claim on her Twitter post, Doki did a livestream explaining that she’ll hire a lawyer to settle things with Nijisanji management, and requested her fans to let bygones be bygones, move on, leave her issue with Nijisanji to her lawyer, and to simply continue to support her as Doki from now on. to clarify: Doki has never incited her fans to rally against Nijisanji, and instead tried to get people to move on. the EN viewers, however, already have an extremely bad image of Nijisanji EN’s management, and continued to make fun of them. not to mention, Anycolor later posted the “negligible” document on their IR page, which was deemed extremely distasteful and inappropriate by EN viewers considering the timing. at this point her story is starting to reach everywhere, from the VTuber community, all the way to mainstream EN content creators such as Asmongold, penguinz0, SomeOrdinaryGamers, etc, all speaking up in favor of Selen.
February 13th, Doki is planning to stream her first game on her Doki YT channel. this should have been the end of the story, as she returns to regularly streaming and the flames of this incident be put out. however, a follow up video regarding Selen’s termination was put up in Elira Pendora’s channel, igniting the flames once more. due to the nature of this video painting a bad picture of Selen, she had to cancel her first stream to discuss this further with her lawyer. this sparks a huge outrage in the EN community, and various issues were pointed out, such as: ① why the video was posted right during Doki’s first stream, ② why the follow up video was posted by Elira’s channel and not Nijisanji Official (causing Elira, Vox, and Ike to be involved in a “Selen vs management” situation), ③ why the content of the video was not apologetic, bur instead emotionally manipulative and painted Selen in an extremely bad light, sparking further anger, ④ why Riku Tazumi also made an actual, official apology in the Nijisanji EN Official channel shortly after (which was what fans actually wanted), ⑤ why there were lots of contradictions between the video and announcements made by Nijisanji themselves (such as claiming Selen lied about management privating her MV video while also confirming that management did private it, and denying any bullying happened while also confirming that Selen was indeed bullied by other Livers, even though Selen never once mentioned which party bullied her), ⑥ why Nijisanji EN management leaked private NDA documents meant only for lawyers to Elira, Vox, and Ike.
as a side note, the EN community noticed how this incident went almost exactly like how Zaion Lanza was previously terminated. after getting terminated, Zaion claimed that she was “backstabbed” and posted a lengthy document exposing problems within Nijisanji EN as a whole. at that time, Zaion was a relatively new Liver, and so most of EN viewers sided with Nijisanji management, and treated Zaion’s statements as empty claims, blaming her. this time however, Selen was a veteran Liver and widely beloved by her fans. noticing the similarities between both terminations, and what Zaion previously claimed regarding Nijisanji EN being problematic as a whole, and how Nijisanji EN keeps losing members due to dissatisfaction, and how Nijisanji had previous bad records regarding Niji ID, KR, and IN, EN fans were more skeptical towards Nijisanji management this time around.
that’s the summary of the EN side’s point of view. in short, we believe Selen’s side of the story more due to how professional she behaved regarding this whole incident when compared to Nijisanji. Most of Selen’s claims were later confirmed to be true, while Nijisanji EN has a track record of mismanagement, made a lot of contradictions, and has a history of bleeding out Livers. Not to mention, between an individual who claims to be oppresed and a huge corporation, it’s human nature to sympathize more towards the individual. regarding how a lot of hate comments were directed at Elira, Vox, and Ike, other EN viewers are also warning each other not to do it since Doki herself has warned fans not to, but there are always a lot of horrible people on the internet.
i intentonally kept this explanation in English to avoid any loss of translation. since i am typing from memory, there might be things i got factually wrong, so please correct me. i simply wanted to try and explain the EN viewers’ perspective regarding this incident and hopefully bridge an understanding between communities. it is disheartening to see comments making light of us by saying things such as “EN viewers are blindly believing Selen” and “Selen is mentally unstable”, when Selen has been anything but calm and non-provocative in her YT and Twitter. please ask me anything and i’ll try my best to provide the EN side of opinion! thank you!
(DeepL) 記憶を頼りに入力しているため、事実誤認があるかもしれないので、訂正してほしい。今回の事件に関するEN視聴者の視点を説明し、コミュニティ間の理解の橋渡しになればと思っただけだ。セレンがYTやツイッターで冷静で攻撃的でなかったにもかかわらず、「EN視聴者はセレンを盲信している」とか「セレンは精神的に不安定だ」などと言って、私たちを軽んじるコメントを見てがっかりしています。何でも聞いてください。EN側の意見を提供できるよう頑張ります!ありがとうございました!
Dokiの味方だ、運営の味方だ、と意思を持って発言した時点でダメなんだわこの問題は
JPリスナーの発言がENリスナーから見ると運営寄りの意見に見えるのはしょうがない事であって、JPリスナーは過去に似たような事例を沢山見てそれに関わって過ちを犯した者もいるから、真相が明らかになるまでどっちの味方もせず静観しようと大半はなってると思う
タレントを契約解除しといて
影響は極めて軽微であります。
なんて発表する時点でまともな会社でないことだけは100%確かだよね
海外ニキは契約解除されたことじゃなくて絵師さんや作曲者さんの証言(にじからお金をもらえず個人的にもらったや著作権の許可を出していた)や彼女が自殺しようとした時やメンタルヘルス的な対応に不信感を抱いて批判してる
なんか騒がず干渉せずひっそりと心を痛めてる海外ニキネキも可哀想よな
書き込む人がファンのすべてな訳じゃないんだし
気持ちはすごくよくわかる。つらいよな
部外者になにもわかるわけねえし、裁判の結果を待つしかないね
この問題に関して、セレンの配信を追っていた訳でも、彼女達の言葉の意味を隅から隅まで理解できる訳でもない私は意見する資格はないと感じただ見守っていました。
けれどここで声をあげてくれた3人には心から感謝を伝えたいです。
せっかく言語も国も超えて仲良くしてきた場で、酷い言葉を投げかけ合っているのは見たくないです。海外ファンも日本ファンもライバーの皆様も、セレンも、少しでもはやく心を落ち着けられる日が来ることを願います。
もうこういう騒ぎは何年か前のにじさんじJPで経験してるから
ファンだかアンチだか分からない意見を言うべきではないな🤐
会社はいつもコンテンツを盛り上げてくれるライバーの面倒を見てくれてるし、間違っていたとしても技術的進化と人員確保のためのお金稼ぎを頑張ってくれてる👍
海外ニキです。日本語がよくわからないけど、説明を頑張ります。
全海外ニキは日本語を知らないと思う?
「セレンの弁護士から脅迫」って何だ?それを信じて?
会社と会社のスタッフが二つ自satu未遂までセレン龍月をイジられるから、Dokibirdで呼んでるセレンの現世がこの事変を忘れたいって。だからその時からもう言えたくないけど、にじさんじが嘘を声明の為にちゃんとの弁護士の変わりに会社の代表者でその日本に人気の三人を使った。なんかまるで小学生の様で負けたくないから滅茶苦茶むかつく。
確かにDokibirdは自分の弁護士がいるけど、卒業を頼むの時に自分を守るの為だよ。でもにじさんじが卒業させないから、会社が契約を打ち切った。だからこっちに 8:07 ヴォックスが「ライバーにとって、にじさんじを離れることは常に選択肢の1つとしてあります」ってったら、嘘だよ。
そして、この事変はDokibirdとにじさんじと二人の弁護士の事だよ。なんで関係ないライバー達が(にじさんじとにじさんじの所謂弁護士と)その文書を読める?この儘で関係ない人々が秘密保持契約を知るから、大訴訟になる。どう見ても、要らなくて望ましくない結果。
翻訳ありがたいけど、サムネには嘘があるよ。
悲しいのは絶対にライバーのみんななのに……シンプルに胸が痛い…
また楽しくしてる姿が見れるように、願うしかできない……