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Shirokasi より:

10月 24, 2022 3:30 pm

Nijisanji started males on this year? Man it’s so sad how people insist on this and ignore that kuzuha, kanae, fuwa, Ibrahim, kenmochi and many huge male vtubers exist for years..
Nijien male vtubers are like the 100th males in the agency 😭

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Noobbie Gaming より:

10月 24, 2022 3:31 pm

BUT STILL PARASOCIALISM IS BAD please listen everyone

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DomNick より:

10月 24, 2022 3:31 pm

It’s like a symbiosis.

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John Tabasco より:

10月 24, 2022 3:32 pm

HoloEN and ID did a great job by collabing pretty quickly with the boys so their fans could actually see that it was not the end of the world. And it gave us some really cool moments too 🙂

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VGC_Ivan より:

10月 24, 2022 3:32 pm

I can never enjoy Vox and Rushia streams because they pander the parasocial groups where their actions is walking on hot glass and stone. When fans found put a guy who was close to rushia it went south quickly where her mental state is still shatter to this day. For Vox talking to a co-worker during his BF stream she got the worst of the end. Vox took awhile to address it then took it back because the “fans” got a hint of negatively that it drove the dude to take a break.

Another type of streams I can’t stand is the ASMR Roleplay, it’s just cringe and does build that parasocial mentality. Even if my favorite streamers does it I’ll skip that stream even it’s membershi

I’ll have favorite streamers (oshis), will watch most of their streams, sub/membership, donate a few bucks yearly, buy their merch if it catches my interest and want the best for them even it does involve with them quitting. but I’ll never see that person behind the screen as my friend or romance choice. Because in the end of the day we’re just strangers

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Zac Corpseman より:

10月 24, 2022 3:32 pm

If the vtber themself build their fanbase by roleplaying the “waifu” game, then their viewers are bound to be desperate younger people whom probably never have had any real relationships in their lives. So in this scenario even the smallest drop of spark could cause a fire that burns for miles, when they feel betrayed after spending however many paychecks on donations for a virtual relationship that doesn’t even exist…

I don’t adore their behaviour, I think it’s quite pathetic to be honest. But I do see where it came from. See all the gaming twitch streamers having a partner? Fanatics don’t get mad at them, rather they would cheer for them and even make memes about them.

To put it in perspective, imagine how different the fans would react if Botan announces that she is actually married, verses Vox announces that he has a girlfriend? It’ all the crazy fans at play and I don’t see the vtbers are at fault for this, but it still sums up to what kind of persona you play.

Not a popular opinion but, if you make dough by harvesting honey, you can’t technically complain about the stings

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Akyuu より:

10月 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Great video overall, but i would have loved to also hear you mention how most of the time mental illness COUPLED with a parasocial relationship is the actual problem here.
Most people as lonely as they can be won’t start sending blood letters or stalking their oshi out of the blue unless something is deeply wrong within themselves first.
(though i guess you kinda did mention it in a way)

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Nene's Apostle [8th Apostle of the Twelve] より:

10月 24, 2022 3:34 pm

Okay, but I definitely don’t have a parasocial relationship with our wife!

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citrusfruit より:

10月 24, 2022 3:34 pm

Great video! Surprisingly well written and informative insight into this culture that drives the vtuber community. As someone who got into vtubers in late 2019 im glad someone took the time to explain and address this issue that has frighteningly become pretty much the norm.

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Rafael 'Fig' Figueiredo より:

10月 24, 2022 3:34 pm

The starting explanation make me remember the meme of the united round table with the swords beings fandoms, they probably exist since the start of entertainment media(or even before)

I remember granny fawning over an Casanova guy from the 40s, having portraits of the guy around all her home. Then the flashback cuts to my cousin spoiling my sister bd aggressively trying to play on tv some BTS show so everyone can see some random guy from the band that she loves. God forbid you try to switch to anything else.

I had my share of toxic fandoms and never saw someone explaining the concept of what makes them unbearable. So thanks to bringing this to my attention

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HansMcMail より:

10月 24, 2022 3:35 pm

at this point i wonder have any Corp ban “Dating experience” with Vtuber yet
We have been down that hell hole once and dont want to see the butterfly effect again

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ROOQ! より:

10月 24, 2022 3:35 pm

Vtubers, to me, are just like other content creators. They want to entertain, and I as a viewer want to support them in their endeavors. That is the relationship we have, and I believe that’s all it should be. The fact that their cute anime girls with lovable personalities is just a bonus

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OniGanon より:

10月 24, 2022 3:36 pm

I would’ve thought parasocialism would be less for vtubers, on account that there’s an obvious extra layer of obfuscation there. More than with any normal streamer, it’s obvious to some extent that what you’re watching is fake, a partially fictional character with fictional appearance and backstory and everything. The cartoon avatar should drive that point home. Unless you bothered to dig into it, you don’t know what they look like, you don’t even know their real name, let alone what their actual personality is like.

I also think it’s interesting to consider things from the other side. From what I gather a lot of these streamers don’t have great social lives, tending to be shut-ins to begin with and getting worse due to the demands of their work. They spend a lot of their time sitting in a noise shielded dark room talking to a screen, with their only social contact being an overly horny bipolar motormouth hivemind monstrosity named “Chat.”

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Wat Aiwan より:

10月 24, 2022 3:37 pm

As joining into vtuber fandom, I actually learn about healthy parasocial relationship from other fandom. I used to didn’t care, tend to looking down, of kpop fans and any hobbyist who spent money a lot for their hobby. After I following vtuber fandom, now I understand of people desire on their hobby and interest. Vtuber fans cheer on their favorite vtuber a lot seems not different with kpop fans, and of course any other fans, like certain idol, diva, musician, etc. Seeing lot of people do support their favorite vtuber by donating makes me more respect on people who spent their money and resources on their hobbies. I guess, joining vtuber fandom community teach me that parasocial relation is just like knife wich can be used for good and bad things. And it also teach me about respect to effort of desire for having any interest.

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Formair より:

10月 24, 2022 3:38 pm

Thanks for digging out another interesting psychological aspect of the modern culture!

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Flugmorph より:

10月 24, 2022 3:39 pm

love how thoughtful and nuanced your scripts are, especially lately. excellent video once again!

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Polymathically より:

10月 24, 2022 3:39 pm

I’ve been following Hololive since the EN debut, but I never got addicted to it. I use a stream for background noise when I’m working on a project, need a good laugh, or if someone is playing a game I like. The interactions can be funny, and maybe I’ll pick up a word or two of Japanese. But that’s it. As someone who has played video games for nearly 40 years and was a reviewer for over a decade, I know all too well how a medium can gradually become an unhealthy form of escapism. It’s one of the reasons I walked away from the industry. As such, I see VTubers for what they are: Real people playing fictional characters, tasked with churning out new content daily, building and selling a brand, dealing with incredibly stressful workloads, the live spotlight, ever-changing trends, and constant harassment. No matter how many cutesy interactions there are, it’s still a business behind the scenes. And given their current output and schedules, it’s clearly unsustainable. Wrecked vocal chords, burnout, extended breaks due to physical and mental health concerns… It’ll get worse before it gets better.

The example that sticks out to me the most is Kronii, who hasn’t been the same since that disastrous Superhot VR playthrough. That seemed like an actual mental breakdown. It wasn’t funny or entertaining, and there were moments when I wondered when management would step in and get her to stop. It was like watching a singer break down in the middle of a concert. Her recent antics may be her just playing up that part of her persona, but I seriously wonder how much of it is real. Calli is another example; she’s been absurdly busy these last few months, and all that momentum is going to catch up with her eventually. The last thing they need is to be hounded by Internet toxicity. I hope the more… ardent followers realize that they need to take a step back and remember their idols are just people, nothing more or less.

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Démian García より:

10月 24, 2022 3:39 pm

The way I’ve dealt with my own parasocialism is by being a cynical piece of shit. Oh, you love your fans? No you don’t, you don’t even know us. Talking to us is a highlight of your day? Yeah nah, you just say that to wring out some more money, and if you actually do, go make some actual friends, cause we aren’t friends
Then I realized it’s not the healthiest mindset either so now I just enjoy watching content and appreciating their thanks without thinking too much about it.

Yopi IS my wife, tho

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Ƨpɒcɘ Fɒɪrƴ より:

10月 24, 2022 3:40 pm

To be frank I have never put ten seconds thinking about parasocialism, this video just reinforced my opinion on the matter and for me there’s no such thing as a good or healthy parasocial relationship. That sounds like saying it is healthy to contact genital herpes if take care of it, it’s not that bad, knowing it could have been entirely avoided by simple mesure. Having admiration, sympathising or being inspired by someone is one thing rather pretty ordinary enough, but having a unilateral imaginary romanticised relationship with a idealised version of person that is probably playing a character this is something totally different, and a symptom of others issues stacking up elsewhere. Now besides criticism do I have any thing more constructive to add? No, only noncommittal and cheap advices for me some guy in the comments, seek help from a specialist go touch grass or something.

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Simon Belmont より:

10月 24, 2022 3:41 pm

the first step to keeping sanity is understanding what it is.
but the cure for it is turning off entertainment links (TV, Youtube, etc) and come back to making meaningful relationships again.

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