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Muhammad Amar Zarkafar より:

10月 24, 2022 3:59 pm

Yo Nousagi, are you aware of the most recent menhera war between mike cat and delutaya?? vt/ has been hellhole with trial and court rrat

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raze satchel より:

10月 24, 2022 4:00 pm

Please take a shower immediately!

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SN0W C4ST より:

10月 24, 2022 4:00 pm

We all know the real world is shit, thats why we resort to escapism, I vaguely experience parasocialism when I made an Internet friend on an FPS game, I would wake up early to play with that person, somethimes even exessively chatting while waiting for them to go online, then I realized that I was being poseesive, over the course of my playtime, I couldnt even do solo rank games anymore, and I would get irritated when they’re online but busy playing with another firend. That was when it hit me and I noticed it was getting worse, so I lied that I wouldnt be able to play the game anymore since I’ll be busy on my studies, 5 years passed and I still havent touched that game again, and that sort of possesiveness never happened again and im proud of it, as for vtubers, Towa and Suisei are my go to since I like their songs, especially palette from towa since it hit with me well, im glad to have found the boundaries and see them as content makers I could listen to when I’m having a rough day, those two have a strong personality which makes me appreciate their songs even more, especially since im not a strong person myself and they became a “why not try” sort of thing for me, I started to take my first steps and hopefuly you guys too.

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Akira より:

10月 24, 2022 4:02 pm

The same way can be described with an addiction, once it’s too deep, you’ve become lost into it…

As much Vtubers like to talk about parasocial, most of them dont even know how to deal with it and points at the fans as the problem… The only good thing you get from parasocial is big buck… no one would give a shit with vtubers if they have no feelings towards them, The good part of it is also anything you do would be a masterpiece to them, if you go hard with parasocial route it can easily be the easiest exploits you can do at the same time comes with a very fragile price…

Though most Vtubers don’t give a crap with that… Nahhh that takes too much self awareness to do that…

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Tudoryonix より:

10月 24, 2022 4:02 pm

Depressed nousagi just like me fr fr.

Gonna try and become a depressed bunny to relate more. Only half-way there!

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Kuratse より:

10月 24, 2022 4:03 pm

I disagree with this opinion, VTubers generally have less problems with para-social relationships. They are unable to push the para-social relationships to the max, and their audience are usually old enough to be proper human beings. Idol culture, both with kpop and jpop, are far worse. Since they push the para-social relationships to the extreme. The idol cultures have a ridiculous incentive to force the idols to form very deep para-social relationships with their fans, as it will grow their fame and earn the producers far more money. This literally pressures the idols to go the extra mile and form incredibly dangerous para-social relationships and walk on tightropes for their entire lives. However, it not just pushes the para-social relationships, it also brings the idols far more danger as their names, physical appearance, hobbies; basically everything about them and their personality, all put into public light.

However, for streamers and VTubers, they can set their boundaries. And if they set it right, they can possibly never face the negative effects of para-social relationships. However, that is IF they set it right. _Some people,_ not naming names but naming colours, namely green, green, and green (I’m talking about green), fail to do so properly, and indulge in things such as GFE to the extreme. Then fail to understand the weight of their actions and the community that they had created, and treat it as if the timebomb they had set is merely a toy bob-omb. Green was not very smart with any of green’s actions, but still suffered only minor effects, because they were mostly protected through being a VTuber and having an agency behind them.

Now for the other guy I *am* going to name, is Vox. This guy is smart. He knows and understands the risks of the BFE he runs, and runs it casually (before an incident he had ran it far too casually, but after suffering consequences, he went a little stricter to stay safe). Even though he was smart, he still underestimated the consequences of deep para-social relationships. Yet even after all that, he only suffered his parasites whining on twitter and death threats without weight.

VTubers are mostly protected from the consequences, but even still, no one should ever underestimate the consequences of forming incredibly deep para-social relationships. Most people continue to underestimate such a thing, even when shown the consequences.

Though on a lighter note, if you were to properly set boundaries, you could run your para-social relationships very well and for very long without any consequences. Look at FBK for example. A true veteran at forming and maintaining para-social relationships where both parties understand and follow the boundaries set. Where FBK really is your friend and you respect their boundaries as a friend. Which is how it should be. Para-social relationships should always end at being friends; anything more and you bring danger due to the lack of boundaries.

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ZxosGamer より:

10月 24, 2022 4:04 pm

“Well, suffice to say that his success is on a thin red line
Good luck on holding that line cuz it snapped once, it’ll snap again”
As I said 2 months ago. Aged like fine cheese lol

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Orient より:

10月 24, 2022 4:05 pm

NOOOOO WHY THE CYBERPUNK SONGGGGG AHHHH THE MEMORIESSS

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At 77 i gave birf より:

10月 24, 2022 4:05 pm

Point and laugh everyone. Point and laugh 🤣

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That Other Guy より:

10月 24, 2022 4:05 pm

Parasocialism MIGHT be worse for VTubers for two reasons:
1) Fans create an image in their minds of their favourite VTubers. You look at Twitch Streamers who stream with their real faces and fans have that true image in their minds, but if you’re watching Gwar Gura, you have to create your own image in your mind. (I don’t think Gura has her face out there, unlike others who have been “unmasked”, so to speak – even if they don’t publicly acknowledge the connection) When you create that image for yourself, it creates a stronger bond – this is YOUR image of the VTuber.
2) Superchats reducing the “Para” aspect of Parasocialism. If I sent Gura a Superchat that follows the rules, I can expect her to personally acknowledge me. I can’t do that in any other Parasocial interaction and expect the same response. Back in the day I couldn’t send something to New Kids On The Block and expect a personalized response from Donnie Wahlberg – there was no “Superchat” option like that. I couldn’t send something to Taylor Swift or Eminem or Brad Pitt or really ANYONE I could potentially be a fan of and EXPECT a personalized response. But thanks to Superchats… I can. That changes the dynamics geratly.

This is also a problem with Streamers in general, it’s not unique to VTubers, but when you look at Asmongold… you can’t imagine him as a nerdy 19yr old who’s socially awkward and shy and introverted who has found a way to be extroverted by not showing his face and letting his personality shine. You see the real Asmongold. You see the real Amouranth. Even with many other kinds of streamings, like Minecraft Streamers who have well-known Minecraft images (Like the Hermits of Hermitcraft), you will often see them streaming with their real faces on their own streams while on colab streams you see the other Streamers as their Minecraft images. You can’t watch Gura’s stream and see the “real” Gura interacting with Kobo, or watch Kobo stream as the “real” Kobo while seeing her interact with the Gura VTuber image, that’s not how VTubing works. So the Superchats and the “No Real Image” combine to make it more difficult for VTubers than other Streamers.

But… overall I do think that the parasocial relationships are more destructive in straight up Idol or Band culture (ie: K-Pop, the Boy-Band craze in the West from the 60’s through 2000’s, etc.) simply because of demographics and societal expectations. VTuber audiences tend to skew more towards adult males while other Parasocial audiences are far more balanced (perhaps even skewing towards females) and far younger, meaning there is a wider variety of possible negative reactions and far less of an EXPECTATION that the audience can deal with it. When a kid goes crazy over a Boy-Band or Idol, we assess the blame on the entire situation before the kid and their immediate circumstances (family, friends, school, etc.) because we anticipate that kids will do stupid shit, even in the best of circumstances. When an adult male fan of a VTuber goes crazy, we place the blame on HIM – where it should be for most situations affecting Adults – and assess the situation in a way that we try to find out why HE reacted so negatively to this situation. Some blame is put on the entire situation, but the focus is on how HE reacted poorly, and generally we start from the assumption that the individual is the problem here, not the situation before assessing the situation to see if there is something in the situation that might be changed in the future.

And on the side of the Idols… their industries are straight up toxic on the inside. Not even abusive – they’re three steps beyond Abusive. The shit they do already to their performers makes it very possible to hear the conspiracy theories like “All the Disney Kids were r@ped by the p@edo cult that runs Hollywood.” and go “I can believe that.” even though I can’t point to a single piece of evidence to support it. Perhaps VTuber agencies will end up being that toxic in the future, but I don’t think they’re heading down that path. Maybe heading towards a different kind of toxicity, but we’re at the very beginning now and hopefully the public can keep VTubers from being swallowed up by that kind of void.

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‣ より:

10月 24, 2022 4:06 pm

I never knew this word until today bruh

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God Anime より:

10月 24, 2022 4:07 pm

Idk about other idol girl groups but the no-talking-to-males rule in J-Idol isn’t really accurate. Instead, most of them are prohibited to DATE anyone outside AND (maybe) inside their groups.

I see that you showed AKB and its sisters group as an example for this vid. The real reason behind the date-banning rule is to keep the idols from having a mental breakdown. And Maeda Atsuko, a very renowned idol back then, was the first-ever case in 48G history. She couldn’t focus on stage rehearsals and was having a hard time getting over her ex. Thus, the staffs and the producer decided to have a love ban rule among the members.

Fast forward to a few years later, it was either, imo, a misunderstanding from the western idol fans thought the love ban rule was to protect the “purity” and “virginity” of an idol, or some certain J-idol companies thought this shit was a good idea to spread to half of the idol industry in Jp.

About the parasocialism in J-idol, well, it has been a very dark area of the idol industry for years, and every average fan isn’t proud of it. You can find out more in The Anime Man’s vid about the dark secrets of the J-idols.

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Axo より:

10月 24, 2022 4:07 pm

10:12 ” of such Herbivore behavior” I laugh so hard then, perfect implication dude

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Daniel Flores より:

10月 24, 2022 4:07 pm

One of the worse examples of vtubers that push a parasocial relationship is one named Terumi Koizumi
This girl defends parasocialism to the point where she made a stream explaining why it is pog and why you should fall in love with her
While sometimes having breakdowns when her fans mention ither vtubers or out themselves as watching someone else
I am aware that, like you say, parasocialism is a big part if vtubing but to that extent it just feels predatory

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Taku Samsara より:

10月 24, 2022 4:08 pm

actually paracosial relationship first come from the people

like back in 70’s people start having an idol , either from actrees/actor , athlete etc

so it’s not influencer the one who start it

lets take example from artist , they just do concert , release music , barely interact with fans , but parasocial relationship still exist , there still people who stalk their “oshi” daily live

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Karl P. Horse より:

10月 24, 2022 4:10 pm

For me, all the stuff about having a waifu and being in love with a Vtuber is just a meme. And I think that’s the case for most people. It’s just a joke. But it’s kinda disturbing to see how real it has become for some people. Some people aren’t just joking anymore.

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Noval1t より:

10月 24, 2022 4:11 pm

Ngl, i honestly feel bad for all the vtubers out there who have to play into parasocialism or do it accidentally because of their specific personality or if their own creative outlet leads to issues (vox asmrs ect). Before getting into vtuber stuff i never even knew what parasocialism was! And never even considered the people i watched as well, people i knew on surface level even if they shared quite a lot because im not a part of their life! No one in their fanbase was (unless they made friends with fans during the early early days). Once i found myself in the vtuber community however.. it felt very different.. almost obsurdly so because the type of people i watch usually dont play into the parasocial aspect of it all and once i was exposed to the playing into it, it felt different to see but wasn’t changing how i interacted with the community but unlike the communities before.. i noticed a significant difference in behavior with the people i interacted with and.. it felt uncomfortable, they talked about the creator/streamer on a more personal level or making it.. weird.. which honestly is why i only lurk now’n days cause i got to see myself how it effects people and.. i didnt like it. When the vox in reimu drama came around i wasnt even aware of it till things got called out! What i saw in terms of how it was handled to me felt honestly kinda realistic in terms of the situation vox was in and how it also gave him a realization to maybe go see a therapist (still very glad he did that) but when he called out the fans and the amount of backlash there was especially towards the idea of parasocialism as a whole it honestly.. kinda made me wonder if i was parasocial of caring about this person that doesnt know me and worrying if their okay, infact it kinda made me embarrassed to admitt i enjoyed vtubers because of the parasocial aspect which i wish never had to be an issue. Thankfully after a while people like you and others at least shed light on what parasocial relationships actually were and.. gotta say, thanks it helped clear my confusion. (Btw im honestly those types of people who even if they did nothing wrong getting told they were they’ll just accept that yeah, they were the bad guy. Just to clear up some confusion when reading about my unreasonable “guilt” and worry)

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Zfinn123 より:

10月 24, 2022 4:11 pm

I like how you mention that parasocialism isn’t a one way street, but both influencer and fan basically fall into it, and that not every parasocial relationship is a bad or negative thing. I’ve always said that falling into one is inevitable, you will find a streamer or creator, or even fictional character, that pushes all the right buttons, but people need to understand boundaries and understand the fact that you basically have no shot in meeting them outside of streams or events.

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jojo より:

10月 24, 2022 4:11 pm

As someone who used to participate in bad parasocial relationships, its toxic and not worth it. I was having a hard time in my life and I used bad romantic parasocial relationships as a very unhealthy coping mechanism. It made me think I needed love and romance to be happy and that the only thing keeping me from offing myself was these fake parasocial relationships. I completely left behind the real world I hated so much to live in a toxic unrealistic fantasy world. It made my already horrible mental state way worse. Don’t ever let yourself get that far into the deep end, it’s not worth it in the slightest.

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Armitaco より:

10月 24, 2022 4:12 pm

I really appreciate the way you have framed “parasocial” here, as it gets at one of my lingering frustrations with how this term is deployed in many of these controversies. Namely, people often treat the term as if it captures the most extreme, unhealthy, or dangerous examples of fan interaction, or basically as if being parasocial on any level is actually something that could conceivably be avoided in this space (e.g., “stop being parasocial”). But online sociality doesn’t really exist outside of parasocial relationships, because really this term tends to just refer to mediated relationships in the first place, and those relationships can take form in as wide of a variety as “real” relationships. And relationships in general can be really good or really bad, unhealthy, or dangerous. Basically, there is no outside of parasociality here – we can’t just tell people to not be parasocial, we have to address the actual behaviour – “social” or “parasocial,” it isn’t okay to harass people.

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