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xmixaplix より:

10月 24, 2022 2:25 pm

I still remember back in the days in WoW I think before burning crusade was out, that a kid killed himself because he wants to be with his heroes 😳 ironic because less than a year later the expansion came out but thinking back now if he’s alive today, he probably would off himself seeing how WoW is today 🤔 people need to touch grass and not be clingy, the worst is probably on twitch 👀

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Neko Mikuri 寝込みくりより:

10月 24, 2022 2:26 pm

I feel like parasocialism has a lot to do with how audiences are treated, as either a collective or individualistic
The culture of parasocialism developed in the west and VTubers is certainly quite interesting to see. I’ve watched lots of twitch streamers where the chat responds instantly, with wide arrays of emotes on the ready, interacting with each other and building off of each other’s jokes. Clips without chat get people complaining, like “no chat dansgame” then you have literal homeless tier streamers like Forsen who will watch entire video and not react an inch, but chat stays because they are there for each other. In the west, you’re buying into a community rather than the person.

I think some streamers have also emulated this very well and focused greatly on their community and inside jokes. Marine is a great example, because she’s incredibly explicit but treats everyone as a collective rather than seperate individuals. It keeps the focus on the whole rather than themselves. But people like Rushia are a different story. When you’re privately messaging the top of the top, there’s no community to buy into, but instead one to buy out of – to stand out by spending more. It’s why it works so well for generating cash, but it’s a ticking time bomb. Going this route you’re 100% not satisfying everyone, and the competition from your own chat will definitely drain you

Though rushia is just… on a whole other lever compared to Vox and co used here. Unlike her, their parasocial acts fail because they can’t keep up, and it drains them, or makes them call it out eventually (like mysta asking why people trauma dump, causing people to get mad.) Mikeneko keeps up TOO much, the slightest threat to her parasocial domain scares her and she’s just… well, yeah, you’ve seen how she’s been recently lol

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X-Ray 2k1 より:

10月 24, 2022 2:26 pm

The act of parasocialism has been all up in my recommend

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spagsauce より:

10月 24, 2022 2:26 pm

Parasocialism sounds like an ideology, I kept thinking this video was a political commentary lol

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Kuro Neko より:

10月 24, 2022 2:26 pm

Toxic viewers in JP, EN (and some ID): Become an annoying white knight in every collaboration stream
Average loyal supporters and viewers Hololive : praise and tease their oshi
Avarage Kobo’s viewers : tease her with simple jokes or sensitive jokes (100% sensitive, lewd jokes is not alowed)

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melishi diao より:

10月 24, 2022 2:27 pm

Parasociallisim is good if you can understand the boundaries between reality and fiction.

Some people use this vtuber as a demand that you donate money on them you must do what they want, rather use them as inspiration and face the reality.

If not. that means you have a problem and seek help.

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Maxqute Kerman より:

10月 24, 2022 2:27 pm

Para-capitalism is vastly superior to para-socialism.

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Cheese Ball より:

10月 24, 2022 2:27 pm

Welcome to the future. People don’t want normal relationships anymore because it’s a nuisance. And thanks to the left winning the cultural war people are scared to fail at confess their love. So it’s easier to watch a cute girl saying cute things

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halfmettle alchemist より:

10月 24, 2022 2:27 pm

Thank you for making this video. Every time I see some Twitter/4chan drama surrounding a bunch of so-called “fans” harassing VTubers for basically just having lives outside of them or just having friends of the opposite gender, it makes me sick. These streamers are all incredibly talented and funny people, and yet people need to acknowledge that they’re just that – _people_ – and not some trophy wife/husband to project on and be entitled to. They deserve better than that level of toxic attachment, and I’m glad that you’ve addressed it so concisely and honestly.

Edit: Someone in the replies pointed this out, but in the case of a Rushia scenario where the liver actively tries to be more exclusive towards their community, fans acting entitled to her are still completely unjustified. However, I do agree that Rushia should have known better than to indulge her fanbase’s more parasocial tendencies, and while I understand her paranoia and desire for attention, her actions still actively made the situation far worse. The audience has a responsibility to treat the performer with respect, but that responsibility also extends to the performers themselves.

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E-mad Art より:

10月 24, 2022 2:28 pm

What’s scary about parasocialism is that some people might not realise that they are being parasocial, I was completely oblivious to how deep am I falling until the Rushia termination, where I noticed how miserable I became over someone else’s problems, now I feel better by just the fact that I’m aware of my parasocialism.

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Lux et Lex より:

10月 24, 2022 2:28 pm

You will develop a parasocial relationship. If you watch a person for possibly years, almost everyday, seeing their face and hearing their voice, you will develop an attachment to that person. It is literally unavoidable imo.
Many people will see a youtuber, or similar, more than family members or friends.
This is why I do not think you can just label idol culture as toxic as one of the reason there are so many rules in Idol culture is so fans do not feel betrayed by someone they have been supporting for years. A lot of people will not even realise how attached they are to a person they watch, until something negative happens even if it is fairly small.
If you get rid of all the kayfabe to not fall into this trap then it feels like the vtubers just become regular streamers again, part of the reason for vtubers growth was that many were dissatisfied with the state of streaming culture especially on the female end. The now old meme of vtubers being “like women but funny” breaks down if they just act like regular streamers and forget their original appeal.

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soap より:

10月 24, 2022 2:28 pm

I noticed that I was developing a parasocial relationship with vox I had to catch myself and stop watching his streams unfortunately, it’s definitely a subconscious feeling and it worried me a lot. I still enjoy vox as a creator but his content can definitely be a parasocial trap.

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The End より:

10月 24, 2022 2:28 pm

Yeah I totally don’t have a problem 🤣😅

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Sanuku より:

10月 24, 2022 2:29 pm

Brave,
But needed.

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latentskies より:

10月 24, 2022 2:29 pm

Parasocial issues can still get pretty intense even on the western side. Late night host Conan O’Brian had a priest that stalked him, a severely mentally ill man sent Bjork an bomb before killing himself and certain Beyonce stans have a reputation for sending death threats to entertainment biz writers/music critics over perceived slights.

These things I know from the fan side of the spectrum is from first hand experience. Back in the day I was the guy who had posted a significant chunk of posts on a popular Paramore LiveJournal fan community which the band members have frequented quite a lot (mostly Hayley though with the band’s official account). I did try to go out of the way to be a moderating force in the community to keep things from getting too wild and/or creepy. Hayley did try shooting the shit from time to time with the community (that kinda resembled Reddit AMAs) but she did eventually leave that community and eventually mostly away from social media over time since those days with the occasional instagram possibly posted by management with the comments turned off these days. I’m not entirely sure how much of it was because her fans have burnt her out on those interactions and how it affected her mental health. I have no clue how much of that was from her eventually resenting the folks who put her up on the pedestal and worshipping her and not saying so to keep the ticket sales and streams going.

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Manchi Crackie より:

10月 24, 2022 2:30 pm

Vox showing up so many times got me dying inside 💀

But that aside, you make really great points and arguments always. I never even thought of the idea that the industry thrives off of parasocial relationships until you pointed it out. I have always felt alone in the opinion that parasocialism can be healthy to an extent. Glad to see that that is not a case!

I myself can count under the healthy side of parasocialism. Various content creators over the years have helped me shaped who I am and improved myself. They helped me discover hobbies and passion I would have never tried if it weren’t for me seeing them try it. But of course, it’s a responsibility of mine as a viewer to keep myself grounded in reality.

I’m glad that you point out that parasocialism is a two way street because often times I see one party being blamed over the other. It’s definitely more nuanced than it usually is perceived as.

Something that I wish that the industry finds an answer to is how much responsibility is on the Vtuber and how much is the viewer’s? I understand some Vtubers make more risqué and fanservice-y type of content because that’s what they like to make. I’d like to think most cases this isn’t done purposefully to lure gachikois in, but rather it’s what they enjoy doing. But the question is, should they be put at fault? How much fanservice is too much fanservice? Should they regularly put their viewers back in their place to make sure no one steps out of line?

Vtubers or even real life celebrities/people can only do so much to control fans, and at some points, the responsibility falls onto the fan’s shoulder. One thing is that clicking the ‘yes’ button on twitch saying that a stream contains adult content even when the viewer is not even an adult. The fan’s over indulging in their fantasies and being delusional enough into thinking they’re true. It’s hard to regulate such a big audience especially since the Vtubers aren’t aware of their existence. It’s not easy to get rid of them as they can just silently watch or make a new account.

I hope that all content creators find the balance that creates a safe space for escape and relief to an audience while fans keep their distance. As you said, there are already existing Vtubers who found that, and that’s good. It shows that there is still an existing line that keeps both parties in their own bounds.

Anyway, those are my two cents. I have always found myself thinking about this topic for a long time. And while it’s a prevalent issue, I don’t really think it’s being talked about enough in a civilized manner, where one side is not putting more blame on the other. So I’m very happy I found this video! Much success to you Nousagi!

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ZRedPlayer より:

10月 24, 2022 2:31 pm

Thats mean a Socialist system based of paranoia. 🤣

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Mik S より:

10月 24, 2022 2:31 pm

Now that I see this video I remembered that I stopped following Vox after the reimu drama bc I felt uncomfortable (?) with the fact that he doesn’t put limits with parasocial stuff, he even likes having the fans simping with that idea of “I’m special for him” or smthn 👁️👄👁️

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Cabbage Cat より:

10月 24, 2022 2:31 pm

I watched every Depressed Nousagi videos and liked every one of them, he is now my pet rabbit. Back off guys.

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Principal Flame より:

10月 24, 2022 2:31 pm

Sometimes you just want to see an entertainer you like succeed, and it feels good to be part of it. Emphasis on PART. To insist that you are somehow secretly the one that the GFE/BFE is directed at, instead of the undulating wad of other several thousand viewers, is flatly delusional. Partake of thine tinctures and vulneraries, o addlepated afflicted!

For a messy examination of unhealthy parasocialism in both directions, look at Vinny Vinesauce’s pre-scandal streaming schedule of 4-6 hours every night, almost every single day of the year. Some fans, generally female, developed some _very_ strong and unhinged fixations on him- and on Vin’s side, after he came back from his 2(-ish?) month long hiatus, he admitted that he had been ignoring big aspects of his life by continuing to stream so heavily. It’s a shame that the personal attention he gave fanart during the Art Corner segments turned into a ticking time bomb. I miss it, but I wouldn’t trade it for the man’s mental health.

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